The Pekka Eric Auvinen Manifesto
Written by OddCulture on November 7th, 2007 in Finland, crime, culture, deaths, school shooting, travel.
This is what lunatic Finnish school shooter Pekka-Eric Auvinen (now deceased) left behind (and no, Odd Culture does not in any way endorse this idiot. However, we feel that this particular document is newsworthy) :
(info on the shooting here)
ATTACK INFORMATION
Event: Jokela High School Massacre.
Targets: Jokelan Lukio (High School Of Jokela), students and faculty, society, humanity, human race.
Date: 11/7/2007.
Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I don’t want this to be called only as “school shooting”).
Location: Jokela, Tuusula, Finland.
Perpetrator’s name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.
Weapons: Semi-automatic .22 Sig Sauer Mosquito pistol.
What do I hate / What I don’t like?
Equality, tolerance, human rights, political correctness, hypocrisy, ignorance, enslaving religions and ideologies, antidepressants, TV soap operas & drama shows, rap -music, mass media, censorship, political populists, religious fanatics, moral majority, totalitarianism, consumerism, democracy, pacifism, state mafia, alcholohics, TV commercials, human race.
What do I love / what do I like?
Existentialism, self-awareness, freedom, justice, truth, moral & political philosophy, personal & social psychology, evolution science, political incorrectness, guns, shooting, BDSM, computers, internet, aggressive electronic and industrial rock & metal music, violent movies, , FPS –computer games, sarcasm, irony, black humour, macabre artm mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters, eugenics
Natural Selector’s Manifesto
How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?
Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere… I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!
Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as “psychological disorders” by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual’s personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc… and it is completely normal.
Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.
There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers… and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.
Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better… no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.
Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy
Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it’s rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don’t realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure… then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.
Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy… you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority… and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.
Three Kinds Of Humans
There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:
1)individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2)manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3)mass human (94% of the world population)
#1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.
Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:
1)intelligent (3% of the world population)
2)slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
3)highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)
Total War Against Humanity
Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life… but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential… knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life… I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.
Life is just a meaningless coincidence… result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I’m the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.
You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand… You will proprably say me that I am “insane”, “crazy”, “psychopath”, “criminal” or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.
I have had enough. I don’t want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving… only worth killing. But… When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name… When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets… When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice… When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority… In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.
Long live the revolution… revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.
I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true… even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil… I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.
And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It’s time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!
Humanity is Overrated
Justice renders to everyone his due.
- Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist).
I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Yeah, um someone played the Natural Selection mod a few too many times.You would hope that someone would notice ‘huh, I think ourson/coworker/friend is a little crazy.’He specifies the problems he has, but no solutions.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
sä olit hullu mies.josset sä pitänyt täällä elämisestä oisit vaan tappannut ittes etkämuita viattomia ihmisiä.ihan tavutonta.sä tuhosit monien elämän.toivottavasti sä nyt kärsit helvetin liekeissä.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
These ideas are about freedom and controlling your own destiny - ‘notbeing a robot’ yet he shows concern for how he’ll be remembered and usesthe columbine guy’s as inspiration.virgin babble indeed.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
whoa! that’s a real weirdo. Hope that he survives, so that he can seewhat he has done, the little freak; and then take the punishment. Hopehe rots in jail, criminal scum…
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
What a shame that..no one noticed his warning to the public about whathe was going to do…sick f**k.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This manifesto = virgin babble.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He thinks he knows better because of some deep thinking… What anarrogant little brat to think he is the only one who knows the”reality”, that there are no gods etc…I read that he had plenty of Nazi propaganda in his youtube page. Atypical nazi, they’re usually the same: they think they know better andtherefore are allowed to be vieolent to the “lesser” people.Well, this just show that society can’t really do anything if someone isthat fucked up.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
What’s the name of the song that was on his website?
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Indeed he only mentions problems, no solution, and i dont see his point,what will what he did change? He speaks highly of justice, but whatjustice is there in killing innocents?
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Yeah, um someone played the Natural Selection mod a few too many times. You would hope that someone would notice ‘huh, I think our son/coworker/friend is a little crazy.’
He specifies the problems he has, but no solutions.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
The only way Natural Selectors Manifesto could be given to the people,was to follow the teachings and to fullfill the mission. Some deadpeople do not matter for the big picture. We have already entered theage of slavery through entertainment, medication, drugs, TV & sportsand refused to open our eyes for the reality around us. A good eyeopener is the film Zeitgeist, which you can see for free on the net atwww.zeitgeistmovie.com. Pekka-Eric’spunishment was a logical result of a depressed genius in the finnishschool system.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
why is there easy access to guns for irrational people like him
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I love how he’s all Natural Selection and Survival of the Fittest, andhe survives a self-inflicted headshot. If he’s able to communicate atall or lives through this, it’d be interesting to see whether or not hethinks he’s part of his described elite or not.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I’ve studied some of Nietzsche’s works. He detested Christianity becausehe believed it was a life-denying religion concoted by slaves rebellingagainst their masters. Nietzsche argued for a life-affirming moralitythat would overcome the herd mentality not only of Christianity, butalso its secular off-shoot (socialism, liberalism, etc…). In fact, healso believed that German Nationalism was a kind of herd mentality. Ifanything , I think Nietzsche was a radical individualist who believed incelebrating and affirming life, not destroying it. I don’t know what hisposition on suicide was, but he might have not been against it (maybesomeone could enlighten us). However, I dont think that a mass murderwould have been his Zarathustra. In fact, in one of his videos, Auvinenexpresses his hatred for himself and the world. I think Nietzschewould’ve considered him a life-hating weakling.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
this is strange, the other day he was posting shit on my pals page, viayoutubenow hes dead? and a killer?
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@mikeNietzsche’s thoughts on suicide are various; he often took a stance forit against the christian view on it and certainly had suicidal thoughtshimself often enough, which he later on dismissed as a part f hisnihilistic period.Oh, and on a side note: Fascism =/= german nationalismNietsche tried to give an outline for exactly this kind of individualsto survive the modern world; but already the first Nietzschean afterhis death: Otto Weininger commited suicide, and many after.Nietzsche himself was full of contradictions between his philosophy andlife: for instance the Richard Wagner case.However Nietzsche did not witness the 30s and their chances; which areover now. Who knows what he would have done today? or Beethoven? Mayberetreat to some cave? Or do the same as mister Auvinen?Conservative Revolution now!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Yes, yes, yes, “talk” shit online until your fingers drop off. Butunderstand this, it will never end. The infrastructure of civilizationis crumbling and more and more, people will splinter off and take actionagainst a world dying like an aged rheumy eyed dog.Your children are not safe.Good day to you all.To the fellow that commented about Nietzsche,i agree that this boys self hatred is disgusting but no sensible manwith any presence of mind whatsoever could look out over this sea of mudand not hate the world, if simply for what it will not become.Egalitarianism has buried us and you non-chritians expressingJudeo-Christian ideals are the gravediggers.But onto my point,Nietzsche who saw suicide as a good way for the weak to weed themselvesout also wrote:”It is always consoling to think of suicide. In that way one getsthrough many a bad night.”Like all great men he contradicted himself at every turn.Nietzsche fucked his sister and ended up talking to his horse.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Shut the fuck up mark, you have no valid reason to citic Nietzsche !
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I hoped that he would survive…He got out too easy by dying…Hes an asshole adn we dont need more of those usa copy cats in here…I will piss on his grave if i find it…
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This was really an extra lesson of psychology.If I had nobody to call…If I had nobody to talk…If my parents were only thin air to me…If I had not any friendly relatives around…I’d probably imagine. I’d probably read. Something not so happy in bothcases, because I dunno what’s to be happy. I am what they give to me, asa child. I copy my parents, I copy my environment. Then I may grow to bean ass. I may be great an actor, because of my imagination, because ofthe hours spend alone and thought things, thought me and the others,instead of living with friends. I might don’t even know what it is tohave a friend to care about you, not just me caring of my friend?So I’m a freak to everyone “normal”. And normals are a group. And freaksare one too. They both want some thoughts of their own to be exchangedwith someone.What if no one cares?Then you might think you are better.Then you might generalize ppl to some definition, retarded to you, foran example. And you are retarded to them. You can have your shield stillon (smile, decent outlook), inside you go… No older people around togive you some perspective of the world…Don’t know how to act withpeople anymore…Don’t like this “I love you stuff”, because no oneloved you…And so you think no one ever will…You realize you are smart enough to understand some concentrationrequired material because of your spare time - that isn’t “spoiled” withfriendships…Then you stuff yourself with some logics. No matter what. Some systemthat gives you even temporary good feeling goes. You notice you aren’tjust a rat, you understand! Then you may elevate yourself, if you liketo read material written by people called themselves as elites (peoplewho write material that isn’t on newspapers).Read read read…there’s not much nothing else to do…Maybe that takes the pain away…read long enough teh same book and youbecome the author at the time he wrote it….And as we know, every company isn’t good one.Even every book isn’t good one.And we tend to become tomorrow what we did yesterday - some Hitlermaterial and….rest is imaginable.—–Random thoughts about this horrifying incident and the making of it.I see many people are so much blaming the maker who is gone forever…Itry to rather understand, as I’ve felt and thought the system and it’sgatekeepers somewhat same way sometimes too. I still believe peacefulapproaches of friendlier world.Blessings, Jokela. Take care of yourself and the people next to you.May the good feeling now take the evil’s place.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Pekka Erik is was an individual who had no contact whatsoever to hisfellow people. He was totally blind to the fact that we as human beingsare one, not just theoretically but really, one. An action of killingother people is the worst that one can do. He must have had totally losttouch with fellow beings, his parents, his classmates, everyone. Hisview was one of a sick person, one who doesn’t see that what he doeshurts not only himself but the whole of humanity. He seems to have hadthought that he’s above the basic moral laws of humanity. My view isthat if he thought he does a favour to humanity by killing other people,he coud’t be further from the truth. What he did is the worst crime ahuman can do, and if there’s hell or something like that, he will bethere. If there isn’t, this makes me think there ought to be. Whathappened in Jokela makes me and many others more conscious of our rightsand responsibility as human beings; our actions are not withourconsequence. Peace to the souls of people he killed and to his also. Ibelieve this is not the only life we live, and I hope he can make up tohis actions in his future excistances.Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi swaha.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Don´t take this guy for a prophet. He was a very sick kid and he diedfor his cause, but there are many people AMONG YOU that will follow him.I repeat what I said in another blog, SATAN IS HERE, but he is not theantichrist. The one you are looking for is in our way of life, insideourselves. In the acts we do and the things we think. I think he has hisour personal hell, as we do.Bye
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Sorry, i mean ” he has his own personal hell”FYI
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
this guy is/was just yet again another arse hole created by sub cultureone of the i need to be this to be noticed people which i am sorry tosay also includes goth’s, emo’s, punk’s,all those who cry from rooftop’s for having no friends or just leave me alone i just want to livemy life this is how i want to live it and the creame why do people stareat me ….. i fuckin wonder eh…could it be that evryone else blends ineven without problem and you look like you just came from a b ratedhorror movie they thirst the attention its a problem created by holywoodand music culture look around its a growing concern brushed under everycarpet in the developed world created by hollywood and music culture…..cradle of filth…. grind house planet terror its all bad peeps anwe are ignoring it
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Too bad this revolutionary who hated corruption so much went and shothis schoolmates instead of going to the parliament. What a dickhead.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Let’s be honest about Nietzsche : this Sturmgeist was and is afountainhead of fascism with his calls for the systematic eradication ofthe weak, the elimination of democracy and the natural right of thestrong to commit crime without moral scruple. The German nationalism hedespised was the civilized variety which he himself experienced ; thesort of nationalism that he advocated was based on the “pure blood” of”Aryan humanity”, as opposed to “Christianity, growing from Jewishroots, and only understandable as a product of this soil”. He taughtthat “Wickedness is mankind’s best power”, and depicts as his hero a”blond beast” emerging from a bloody massacre with a clear conscience,knowing that he belonged to the Master Race. The first 2 lines ofPekka-Eric’s hate-list would coincide exactly with Nietzsche’s.I think it’s high time we started putting clearer labels on our poisonbottles.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I would have kicked the fuck out of him, lulz
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
People who idolize this kid need to be helped. Reading these commentsled me to realize how weak the human mind has become. I assume most ofus have witnessed the terrible actions others inflict upon outlyingentities, and since the beginning people have out casted those who aredifferent. Those who cannot cope with reality end up like these people.It’s absolutely logical to state “Identifying a problem does not makeyou a genius, solving the problem does. Eliminating the human race isnot a solution, you might as well kill every ill person withoutsearching for cures.”, and this in my opinion was the most reasonableset of text contained within this page. Changing the way he thoughtwould have changed his life. “Ignorance” is an overused word with toomany ideas built behind it; it’s not ignorance to disregard some thingsthat upset oneself, it’s maturity. If one can’t deal with something as achild then disregard it until your mind is strong enough to take on thetask (or forget about it if you can’t cope with it.) Nobody and no forcerequires you to have to know everything, and knowing everything willmake somebody crazy without sufficient wisdom as a backbone. People areattempting to grow up too fast these days and tackle subjects in theworld that require nothing more than pure experience. If I may refineone line of text stated previously [knowledge is in understanding howmuch you don’t know], -part- of knowledge is understanding that everysingle entity on earth has a varied point of view on a subject due to analignment of internal and external factors, but as far as I’m concernednobody’s opinion is superior. Those who think and un-rightfully assumethey have the perfect viewpoint have an inferior opinion if not anythingbecause it’s guaranteed to be more static than those who are unsure andalways dynamically changing the same way humanity and reality will. Nolife is worth taking; any of the children in the classroom could havechanged the world for the better, people grow at different rates. He mayhave seen his peers as inferior, but years later all of them will havebeen faced with the same external stimuli and during the long time linein which these people would have endured life, they’d all have reachedthe same intellectual climax. His figures of percentages are nonsense;not because he obviously manifested them from thin air, but becausehuman beings chose to and to not acknowledge some things, and becausethe mass is always changing (with children exponentially so). There areinfinite amounts of ways to group people into a mass, and you yourselfwill always be a part of a group, even if it is a group of outliers.I’ll finish my comment with a previous statement and a personalstatement… “Maybe our governments should start taking this seriouslyand start footing some bills for people to ‘target and search’ forindividuals who are promoting such behaviors online … so that they couldbe monitored or even treated?”. I’m currently not affiliated with anygovernment but I’ve made this a priority of mine.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
for someone who spoke so much, he really didnt achive much of anything.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I can’t even begin to explain how sad I am that people have to hurt eachother this way. My sympathies go to everyone who have been touched bythis tragedy.On my mind there has been one question above all others: how can we helppeople who are sick?I don’t know if it is justified to argue like this but I don’t thinkthat it was in Pekka-Eric’s true nature to do something like this. Idon’t believe that he had always felt like this about other people andhimself. I believe that he must have felt love and cared about others atsome point in his life. I believe that he was sick and the sickness inhim made him evil.This is why I’m asking how can we help people who are sick. His sicknessdoes not make right any wrongs that he did, but could it help usunderstand how fragile the human mind is. And when tortured enough bybullies in school and your own insecurity, it makes you seek comfortwith desperate measures (like in violence) and feeling of belonging inothers who have sought relief with similar actions (referring to EricHarris, Dylan Klebolt, etc.).Do people with this severe mental illness understand the differencebetween right and wrong?(I hope that you take this the right way: I’m not saying that this isOK, I’m not saying that there is some justification or rationale behindthis, I’m just asking how we could prevent these kinds of horrors fromhappening again.)
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@elsebubAge means nothing; I know an 19 year old who is more intelligent thanmost adults I met in my life.”And you - live a little.” ?? What do you know about my life to makesuch a comment?@eve”Maybe they are the assets that have helped the human race make it so far?”Yes…right to the stars.!Aristocracy now!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
That was a load of crap that everyone’s heard too many times before…Any chance that democracy and the society we live in today might beproducts of evolution as well? Maybe they are the assets that havehelped the human race make it so far?He gives no justification as to why he would be “The Natural Selector”,a God of some sort. Why not let nature do its thing since he believes inevolution so religiously? Quite an ego he has to think that he knows better.I think he was just a lonely little boy who wanted some attention. Ithink that this was before anything a personal attack against peoplewho’ve dissappointed him in the past, rather than an act based on anideology.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
МуÑÑwould you go to stop a man who carries a gun with..? i don´t think so,you are as much animal as escapen people. if people are in shock whatthey do? escape from the situation offcorse..think..and then shut up.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
In my country we have 13 year olds killing people and burning the corpseand yes filiming it for fun…we have teenagers tortureing and killing a5 year old….crime is out of control as is greed and self interest iswhat we ‘live’ for and it is this that is degradeing life andpeople…I support this man for what he did this is how much he feltand this is what he did.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I actually kind of admire pekka. He was very smart if you think hisactions deeply. He was not crazy, he knew what he was doing.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Its a shame to see someone intelligent do something stupid. OK it istrue that mass violence receives so much attention and its pretty muchthe only strategy to get heard these days. This man used this strategyto get his message across, it is very similar to suicide bombers thatkill themselves everyday in the middle east. They are empty and led tobelieve something good will come out of their actions and perhapssomeway they will be rewarded. These events really show the weakness ofthe human mind…even this mans mind. The human mind is so easilymanipulated. Its human nature to find answers to our questions and theones that fit us specifically or for stupid people the ones that areaccepted by majority are the ones that we follow.Intelligence and smartness are two very different things and analyzingthis text this man was intelligent however not smart. Smartness can bethought of as ones ability to use intelligence to his/her advantage insome way. This man simply copied what others did and with a ratherprimitive mindset believed the only solution was killing. Sorry to sayPekka but you should have thought about it a little more. There are lotsand lots of people who cant stand stupid or retarded people…thethought of them being there just disgusts us because they seem soinferior…however if u think about they are needed to act as the forcethat drives society and perhaps what make society interesting. Usuallythe stupid people are the ones that make me laugh the most. Anyone withsimilar intentions as Pekka had out there should really learn to usetheir mind to their advantage and learn that what they possess issomething valuable and just laugh at all those who might consider themas inferior or not part of society.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
CRAZY BOY, i take pity on you and pray that God sees your true soul andnot your actions. God will be the only one that forgives you.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I cannot directly blame him for what he has done. His actions may havebeen an effect of a sequence of bad experiences.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
my cousin was in that school and i’m very happy that she was able to getout.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Let’s read between the lines:”Not all human lives are important or worth saving.”"Life is just a meaningless coincidence… “”I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live.”"I’m the dictator and god of my own life. “”I am ready to die.”His manifesto is just an extended suicide note, his actions an extendedsuicide. And yes, most of it true virgin babble.And what’s the fuzz about him being smart? Mostly his “logic” isirrational ape-like imitation of the ideas of people he thought weresmart über-minds. Or rather alfa-males.1) If he belonged to the “fittest” people, he should have occupiedhimself in reprodusing, not end up dead by own hand on the toilet floor.2) If he did not represent the masses, why are his actions just asimitated as his ideas: school shootings are just another phenomenonbrought to us from United states of America.3) If he was a free spirit, why couldn’t he free himself from small highschool world and rise to the next level, the real world beound high school.I wish I could tell all this to his face, to make him put things intoperspective. But I can’t, not any more. None of this reasoning is anygood to the the people left behind: his family, the families of thevictims. All this, these 9 dead pepole, just makes me want to cry myheart out.Let’s learn from this! If you know someone who has similar ideas, go,talk to them. Do not exclude them, it will only make them more bitter.Do not fear them, it makes them want to intimidate you by extreme means.Treat them as equals and maybe a tragedy is prevented.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
2 would you..?I didn*t say that Pekka was right… (i sad thet he was thehalf-educated person, who didnt see the difference betwen Revolution,Suicide and and Murder)…but…i am 23 years old and i can be aible to use weapon. i was learning touse weapon. And a view of teenage boy with a gun does not frighten for me…. it dosent metter!!!Once apon a time you have met a men who are in hysterics. The person ina hysterics needs to be calmed. right?He was not the terrorist who held someone in hostages. He rash about theschool 2,5 hours in a hysterics on school… And anybody has not stopedor helped him…It is better to be the wounded man or killed, than to turn away from theperson to whom, obviously, the help is necessary.I do not trust, that among 450 pupils it did not have friends…Simply… This such indifference… All was to spit on all except foritself…I hate еру Indifference… It is a pity that it has started to readNietzsche, instead of ДоÑтоевÑкого……and sorry for my english…
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
What a mess, he could kill himself, other stundents doens’t have “thefault” to be differents…asshole, but that is what society is creatingright now, it’s a shame.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@elsebub”And what’s the fuzz about him being smart?”The difference between “smart” and “intelligent” has been explained by”alternative” above.1) What for, in a world where the better humans suffer from the rule ofthe lower ones?2) There are things like supra-individual mind sets, which influencepersonalities of this certain kind; so this is not imitation whatsoever.And america is simply the furthest “developed” towards décadence so thisis where it is the worst for the best people to live at and thereforethis is where it happened first.3) He did”Treat them as equals and maybe a tragedy is prevented.”This won’t change anything; we are not equals and we do not want to betreated as such. In fact talking to people makes us feel only less hopefor humanity as a whole, because we always realize how dumb the majorityof people actually are.!Aristocracy now!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Let me put in this wayPekka had a mission but no one was ready for it, or, no one have heardor care what was so important for him.Finland is highly develloped in economic and technological terms, but ashit in psychological and human level (I think).This is a global problem.But who cares?So Pekka acted out in the only way he new he woul be himself with nomore rage or fear, with no future at all.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This is some looser who probably went sick (=out of his mind) because ofmedication and isolation. It is a critical step when you see that you’regrown up “old” and you should take some responsibility, easier to throwcritical comments and then put “show on”, and not to takeresponsibility. This is a looser guy/gay, i am sorry, some “small kidwithout love” from darkest corner of mothers apartment, where motherreally did not recall where he left her baby. Take care! This is notreally that family is bad or something, it is not easy to find out whatchildren are thinking about. Anyway this is sick! If this so bravesolider would have gone to army, it could have shown some rightdirection where to put energy, or do something else intelligent(Ãœber-man yeah!!!, kills himself to TOILET? Right?!! Brave soldier??).Sad, really sad :-((( Not right, not right at all! I am so sorry.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Although Auvinen´s points of view about humanity seem to be extremelynarrow I believe there´s some thruth to them too. After reading hismanifesto I immediately recognized myself as one of those retards or”robots” as he describes. But that´s just what makes this life soprecious and beautiful. We´re in this together - ready to help eachother when help is needed. I actually believe Auvinen had the potentialto become a charismatic political leader or otherwise very famous personunless his idealism hadn´t been so distorted and hadn´t led to thisdevastation. I´m also of the opinion that he should have let himselflive to stand as an idol to all those “creative people” who sympathizethis kind of horrible acts. By committing suicide he only shows that hereally doesn´t address what he tries so hard to make us convinced ofwith this manifesto of his. That is what renders his points of view sonarrow. Of course we “robots” curse his name and wish him to burn in theflames of hell! My feelings are with the relatives of the victims andthose who survived the massacre. May love and compassion someday win thebattle against intervention an extremism.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@Rand alSmart, intelligent, wise, I don’t think he was any of those things.Admid it, his logic is poor and rethoric full of clishes.Besides him being a kid of 18 y, eats away your credibility (you beingthe 3%). Now it’s been seen as a sorry teen, victim to he’s hormones anddriven by social failure. If a person of age would have commited thesame crimes for the same reasons - I would have been devastated. Now Ifeel only pity and sadness.And you - live a little. And you cannot live over the internet, youactually have to go out there (unarmed).
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He should have just shot 6 mortors straight at the school, then alotmore ppl would have been killed, :D, you wknow what the problem is, toomany people with idiots saying you cant kill, its in human, well youstupid woman the whole point of humanity was to kill eachother and survive!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Intelligent? Did he knew the right meaning of that word?
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
You really don’t understand anything. “Just a comment” commentator is asimpleton. Comes here and posts his anger with some retarded randomthoughts from his head with his English writing level at pretty much 0.You said “grown up “old†and you should take some responsibility”.Seriously WTF…this has nothing to do with responsibility, yet with hispersonal suffering which he took out along with his beliefs on others.Another stupid comment “If this so brave solider would have gone toarmy, it could have shown some right direction where to put energy, ordo something else intelligent”…do you know why the army exists inFinland?…Firstly it is for national protection but nowadays it is morea place where you are taught values which are essential in adulthood.Respect is taught in the military in the form that superiors are aboveyou and they should be respected. Your fellow soldiers are equal, theydress the same, no hair, no fancy crap that makes one think he is aboveothers, which means you accept each other and therefore respect eachother. Other values are also implemented there like honesty andtimeliness however, the main one is respect. Whats my point?? My pointis the army is essentially there today to teach true values to ignorantor arrogant brats out there, who either have been provided everything(meaning they act like they are something better), or have been raisedin a family whose parents didn’t know the first thing about values(examples are teens who go and get kids at age 18 or something), or theysimply were too stupid to understand their parents. You took the worstvalue/thought from the military “don’t think and just do”, which showsyou were only basic private, if anything else you got lucky. Also it isdemonstrated by your writing which only really represents emotion and noreason. The military wouldn’t have done anything to the killer guy, forhe was trying to rid society of what the military tries to do tospoiled, immature or stupid teens. Unfortunately the military has becomesuch an easy place where these values simply don’t sink into manypeople’s heads and after they’re out, they become the same people asthey were before.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He talks about justice, but he acted and thought as an egocentric thatbelieves that justice is him. Also, It was so egocentric that havespoken all his nicks and names. Not to talk the movie references…Natural selection, he talked…then he must die first for beingdangerous for the survival of our species, isn’t it?Just another f***ing mass murderer
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I can’t see this boy isolate from all the global contest. See…thepeople it’s getting sick worldwide. It’s a very social problem theattacks to schools made by students, that is happening everywhereincreasing drastically day by day…It’s hard to explain and understandthis boy but i think that when you write a manifesto you have somethingreal serious to say and that manifesto shows many problems of humansocieties. I’m not agree with what this student done, ever with muchpart of his thoughts, but….the terroristic attack was seriouslymotivaded by a ideal and so - it’s not a illness of one mind, but, aconsequence of many things.(sorry for my poor english)..
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Questions:1.) who has the right to end the life of others? No matter how lordlyyou think you are, how much better or how much you hate the world, youhave no right to end life. Life is precious, to be enjoyed notsquandered or forcably ended.2.) to those people who agree with the actions of the shooter: aren’tyou guys being sheep yourselves? Discover your own philosophies and stopquoting those of someone who keeps quoting from ‘natural born killers’!'Natural selection’? Darwinian selection if you ask me! Where is thecompassion?On Atheistm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkUWbFjdpg
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Intelligence without wisdom is pointless. The wisest of all men arethose who know how stupid they, them selves are. Then, and only then,intelligence becomes to be of use.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This was more of a hate-suicide than a murder. Nietzsche claims yet morevictims. If this intelligent young Finn had turned to Christ rather thanto a Satanist for the answers to his lonely, perceptive confusion, hemight have learned that Intelligence does not imply Goodness ; indeed,it can make you vulnerable to forget the simple truths that a childunderstands better than a philosophy professor.May the Lord comfort the distressed in their grief at this time.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
“we are just animals and only the stronger enough will survive…”So, by offing himself he declared himself as one of the “weaks”. Go figure.”Atheism is the absence of belief in deities(god)”Which is itself based on a belief: the belief that there doesn’t existsdeities. Remember: it cannot be proven either way.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
you are just typical. to think that you are superior of others. have younever heard that knowledge is in understanding how much you don’t know.so the more you know the more humble you should become.i think you really aren’t as intellectual as you write, for if you were,what reason would there be to repeat it over and over. i advice you tothink again. and then maybe you’ll grow to really be as intellectual andsuperior as you acclaim yourself to be
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Kewl. Guys, let’s all get a haircut like his!School shooters rule!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
SUPER COOL.11/7 IS THE DATE. STARTS SHOOTING AT 11:44, COPS ARRIVE AT 11:55. HEUSES A .22.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He realized something about darwinism: killing is natural. Human is ananimal and there is no humanity in the reference frame of darwinism.There isn’t right or wrong neither. Everything is okay. If you killsomeone, it may not be fun in the perspective of the relatives of thekilled but so what? This is where fundamentalistic atheism lead. And Isee no other rational ways to inteprete atheism. In the context ofatheism anything can be done coz you will never be judged - at least soatheists think. I know many atheists who are “good people” but theydon’t have necessity to be good and some people are irrational when theypersist atheism and think that killing is wrong at the same time. Butit’s good that they are irrational. I’m just scared that this happeningand the manifesto of Auvinen will make them think rationally and it willcause more murders. Atheism is a very dangerous religion, coz it’s areligion which doesn’t constrain to obey any rules coz there are norules or laws in atheism.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This young guy was totally controlled by Satan and killed innocent kids.his death is not over. he will face God last judgement and be thrown inthe Hell forever
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Finnish High school Gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had such a lost soul whichlet him being controlled by Satan totally. He killed 8 innocent people(7 kids) whom were treated by him as “weak-minded masses’. His deaththis life did not pay off his cruelty to those victims . He will faceGod’s last judgment someday and be thrown into eternal fire –Hell as hisdue punishment. God is Love and Just
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He was a sad fuck, and I hope he gets raped in hell. My honest opinion.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
This is why there should be limits to freedom of speech, tragedies likethis are caused by right wing views from neo nazis groups all these nutjobs who shoot up schools are somehow connected to these racist faction.I have no doubt this kid had was connected or admired these groups andnut jobs like hitler. These fucken neo nazi scum should be all roundedup and put in prison, they are a drain on sosciety and scum of the earthconsumed with jealousy’s. Unfortunatley europe hasnt woken up to thereality of these people, they all deserve to burn in hell.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
he should have just shot himself instead of bringing other people downwith him, the copycat cunt.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
As a Dr. of Psych. I’m estimating his IQ to be about 175.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He sounds like That Eric Harris kid from Columbine.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or acoward.Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both.For a wounded man shall say to his assailant,’If I live, I will kill you. If I die, You are forgiven.’Such is the rule of honour.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Psst.. He calls people inferior. They only reason he survives till nowis because MAMA raised his little dumbass. A “God” LMAO.. He’s just adumbass virgin babbler.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I totally disagree that this would be his idea, as he claimed in hismanifesto. There were clear references to nazism and Stalins ideas. Alsoto many other edge movements. As some teachers of his have said, Auvinenwas very interested in history and fascinated by edge Right and edgeleft..also he was a genius even though he was only 18. We talked aboutthis in school today and during the conversation, I realize thatactually that young aged killer reminds me of Adolf Hitler..althoughHitler wasn´t that genius, but both of these persons had a strict ideaof what is the perfect society, how it should work, what is theacceptable race in their perfect society and the mainthing, that theyare part of it themselves and also that they have all the features ofthat what they wanted others to be. A controller person…which issimilar to “Führer” for example.I also think the same way as some others here too and which is logical,that there must be something in the backround of his life, that makeshim to do such a horrible things that he has done! Some people justreact into a different things in different ways, some more aggressiveway than the others..I´m sure the violence orientated games and moviesdidn´t make this situation at any way better, even though they weren´tthe mainreasons.Auvinen has got a bad mental problems, which he didn´t show outside andin that state of mind it might be even impossible. Obviously he wasdisposed for any kind of ideas and took easily example from strong andpowerfull persons not necessarily recognizing that himself.I didn´t and I won´t at any circumstances gonna accept what he did, it´swrong, no claiming about that. But I also wonder, what made him so fullof anger, that it entitle to kill people..an innocent people..being adead doesn´t really change the things in desired way, there´s only a onemoment when you get your idea to peoples awareness, but still it won´tnecessarily change their minds. This caused so much sorrow and lost ofyoung lives just because some ‘madman’ decided to show his way ofthinking by shooting and by using violence..this is sad and unfortunate.And as a Finn I really hope this will stay as a first and a last one ofit kinds.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
anoymoose,Two great individuals, Lenin & Hitler, Both wanted to rule theworld, both by violence, but in different ways, even though Hitler usedextreme violence for power, he was always suported and loved by his”weak” majority of people because they did not like what was happeningto their country, but now, first jews, then turkish.Lenin wanted just to have an equality around the globe until theamericans put their nose in it like they always do. But for equality,lenin had to rule ALL the way, so it was not bolshevism/communism but anautocracy, the “weak” were so desperate for a humans needs they wereready for eanything aslong as food was on they’re table/floor. This iswhat is now, we dont realise it but we are actually an autocracy
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
anoymoose,Two great individuals, Lenin & Hitler, Both wanted to rule theworld, both by violence, but in different ways, even though Hitler usedextreme violence for power, he was always suported and loved by his”weak” majority of people because they did not like what was happeningto their country, but now, first jews, then turkish.Lenin wanted just to have an equality around the globe until theamericans put their nose in it like they always do. But for equality,lenin had to rule ALL the way, so it was not bolshevism/communism but anautocraacy the “weak” were so desperate for a humans needs they wereready for eanything aslong as food was on they’re table/floor. This iswhat is now, we dont realise it but we are actually in an autocracybecause it is the countries leader which rules, i am against thegovernment, but not the monarchy of britain, they have pride and a goal.To say that the majority of countries is democracy is wrong, totally,because both democracy & autcracy are the same, both get led and the”week” majority strung along
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Have you lost your mind, you saying this is the most authull thing inthe world and its not, think of the vikings, romans, the british (YES :Dcome on England and Wales!) and countless before and after all killedmillions of people and NO ONE GAVE A TOSS!, Millions apon millions diedin WW1 & WW2, and no one thinks about them anymore, And then ontelly you find the news on about iraq war and its “One more alliedsolder has been killed” and we all go awww, but its only 170 odd fromthe start (british army) and in WW1&WW2 we didnt get newsflashessaying “one more soldier has been killed”, if anything its the americanswho prevoke this activit of violence with they violent film and games, iknow 28 days/weeks later is british but that is old. Its always americansoldiers too stupid to destringush between allied & enemy the stupidbastards, nowonder they’re all bankruptloooool
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
A person does not need to be bullied to feel like an outsider. However,it takes strength to admit that there is just something about yourpersonality, appearance etc., that makes it impossible for you to beaccepted by/belong to the herd. It seems to me that one of the reasonshe loathed the society so much, was that he so badly wanted to be a partof it. Be it in a leading, governing role, but still a part ofSOMETHING. This killer showed his own weakness, when he wasn’t able tocope with loneliness and being different.It’s natural to start looking for comfort from art, when you feel alonewith your thoughts. Sadly, he thought he had gained all the wisdom inthe world after reading a few books with big ideas. It is such adangerous thing when a human believes he has all the required knowledge,especially of something so incomprehensibly huge and complex as theentire universe. It takes real patience and humility to admit yourignorance, but once you do it, it is so much easier to take control ofyour life in a healthy way. After that, read, talk with people, learn,try to comprehend, and do not let the bitterness get a hold of you, evenif the world seems doomed. Knowledge normally seems to increase pain andanxiety, but the more you grow in knowledge, the easier it becomes toaccept the inevitability of pain. Do what is required to gain piece ofmind. If it means ultimately taking your own life, it is your choice,but don’t try to include others in your faith. It will not increase yourpiece of mind to take down more souls, or the piece of mind of yourvictims, for everyone has the right to build their own path, just likeyou did. But, really, you should try to live your life to learn itslessons, might be worth it.I’m so sorry for everyone who has lost a loved one, not only in thistragedy. To quote one of the most beautiful lines ever: “the streets ofheaven are too crowded with angels tonight.” Let’s hope they stayemptier for a long while after this.For Anotherguy, really inspiring to sense your joy of life after allyour hardships. Stay happy.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
u stupid thick bastard. U havn’t prooved anything, u havn’t won anywar,. All this shows is that YOU are the WEEK minded fool, SO week u hadto kill urself. Well dont drag innocent ppl down with u!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He was insane.Only sane people will understand that.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
You will not be forgotten by your kind; the 3% ( or however much wemight actually be, I believe less) will remember your deeds for ourgreat cause.Hail Aristocracy!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
A HUGE misconception about school shooters is that they are all bulliedbeyond redemption. I know for a fact Eric and Dylan were hardly bullied.Dylan Klebold himself was infact a bully who picked on many kids duringhis time at Columbine High…he even notes in his journals about pickingon kids. If you have read their journals you would understand this. Howcan people be so ignorant and say “ohhh he was bullied on picked on somuch he was bound to snap”. Cho didn’t kill because he was bullied,neither did Jeff Weise and neither did Kimveer Gill. I think feelingEXLUDED and DIFFERENT to people or the popular crowd plays a much largerpart in school massacres then being picked on.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
OK first of all lets look at this from this guys perspective. The guyhad been bullied, teased and perhaps played pranks upon. People thoughtof him as an outsider and seems like from what the school kids aresaying, he had been classified as someone not allowed to be a part ofsociety. Thats what society does, it pushes away all those that aredifferent from what is by society considered correct. This man waspushed aside and what caused his anger and hollowness is most likely thefact that he knew that he possessed something which is something veryvaluabe…what might that be??….intelligence. I can see how someonevery intelligent can get mad at the fact that society doesn’t accept itas a true value or that person him/herself…i mean thats his pointabout evolution…the more intelligent should succeed in nature. Besideshis anger and most likely extreme frustration the man seems to havemissed some essential emotional support. It seems that he was notunderstood or supported by his parents….not saying the parents shouldbe held responsible…but the fact is every kid is a product of his/herparents…whether it’s genetics or ways of raising the kid. For someoneto be able to do such a horrible act, it requires emptiness, very strongbelief in something and/or rage and perhaps its the first two of thethree in this case. A person can only lose his/her ability to feel ifhe/she sees humanity as worthless. To support this thought is all warsthat show how human lives are worth nothing. This person consideredhumanity worthless and possessed strong radical beliefs.Ultimately what most likely made the major decision in his head was theradical thoughts expressed by others. He seemed to have read somewhat onpolitical views and i think those really led him to believe thathumanity is going in the wrong direction. Powerful texts can causepeople to believe in their ideas especially if it connects with thatperson. This is an example of an 18 y old struggling to find the reasonwhy and how, can he be considered inferior when truly in nature he issuperior. The texts told him he is superior and led him to believe inthem and perhaps suggested what he should do to change this. As we cansee from what happened, the man used violence to get attention and starta message to everyone. Why did he shoot innocent people? Well it seemshe was on a mission (as many radicals are) to change humanity’s courseand most likely, through recent similar happenings he saw how much mediaattention a shooting such as this gives which led him to believe thatthe more bloodshed, the more attention and thus the more his story wouldgo out. His manifesto was written to explain his thoughts and hissuffering, which he knew would be published.You may start to think i am supporting this mans actions…no way…imtrying to lay it out to others so that they understand that only a manalready emotionally killed inside can do something like this. Shootinghimself in the head was probably the easiest part in the plan. Yet thelarger point in this reply is to allow people to start changing theirthoughts and values and even more importantly the parents need to begiven basic education on what are true values. Parents are what make thechild to who he/she is. Even the simple love from one parent or supportfrom some relative/friend could have changed this, however as i saidbefore the man was held beneath the water where all he could think ofwas a tidal wave that would come and wipe away the dirt off the beach.It seems that people with cases like these aren’t that rare which if youthink about is really scary. First big shootings in the US and now inFinland, this is becoming almost common, which is definitely theultimate nightmare for society. Seriously whats to stop this fromhappening again…a jihad invasion…i dont think so. To stop this fromhappening again we must raise awareness and teach kids, and yes someadults, true human values…even less intelligent ones will understandif you tell them many times enough. Basic values such as respect eachother and understand others beliefs and views (anyone’s beliefs andviews are correct as long as they are justified and make sense). Thisdoesn’t mean everyone has to like each other, yet everyone accepts eachother, which eliminates the arrogence/ignorence from people. It almostseems as if those two are the current values of society. These days someparents don’t even have true values, meaning how will they teach them totheir kids when they’re the worst examples themselves. If its too lateto change this generation, save the next by teaching values at schoolsor something. Here’s four values everyone should keep in mind 1)BeHonest 2) Be Respectful 3) Be Responsible 4) Be Safe.We can either not accept what happened and hate this guy forever andthink he’s crazy, make up excuses like “thats not the way to bring outyour thoughts….u need to live and lead and not kill and die” or someother ignorant stupid excuses , or we can accept this tragedy and facethe fact that there are problems in this society, in reality, andbelieve that they can be fixed. Anyone who says at this point that weshouldn’t do anything is retarded. Lets not apply some old methods orquotes that sound nice to this situation, yet lets deal with it!!Society should remove its germs itself and no one man stand can do this.Someone pointed out earlier in his comment that “no society is perfectand problems exist” which i support, however the point where problemsrise to this level and shootings start happening is a point no longertolerable and completely shatters the definition of society. I believethis incident is depressing, wrong in terms of humanity, sorrowful andmost of all a desperate cry for help society back on its track…andperhaps the killers final call for the tidal wave.My thoughts go out to all those related to the victims. It is shockingand a true call for society to rethink the grounds on which it stands….Those of you who post simple and stupid messages, think for a while in abroader perspective and remove the retarded arrogance/ignorance yourparents gave you.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I’m wondering why freaks who cannot fathom a way to improve human lifecan consider themselves geniuses. Identifying a problem does not makeyou a genius, solving the problem does. If you have a problem with theorder of things, give us a solution. Eliminating the human race is not asolution, you might as well kill every ill person without searching forcures.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
GoNINzo,”He specifies the problems he has, but no solutions.”He specifies problems and has a solution… Clearly the solution iskilling people.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
almost forgot:i congratulate everyone on this marvelous occasion:today is 90 years since the Great October Socialist Revolution happenedlet us all whip out our blood-red flags with golden pentagrams, hammersof thor and sickles of SATurN and welcome the Revolution.how is that for a conspiracy theory?may be we should blame commies now, not nazis? (or rather jewsagain–read more history of soviet revolution to know what o’m talkingabout)nobody thought about that, you intellectual fucking mass.revolution. THINK.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I totally understand Pekka-Eric and his manifesto. I felt the same waywhen I was in high school, to me scool was a concentration camp,government a racist dictatorship and humanity a faceless mass ofbrainwashed robots of limited intelligence, manipulated by the globalracist and Jewish (yeah right!) conspiracy to be good consumers andsalary slaves. And I grew up in a society culturally and structurallysimilar to Finland. I remember calling myself an “anarcho-nazi” at thattime, and launching into rants against the Dictatorship, socialism,racism and the Jewish conspiracy before stunned teachers. My ideal wasan elitist, aristocratic society where the only people with democraticrights would be those of the intellectual elite, who in the currentsociety were being held down by the conformist ideals (expressed throughbullying and social marginalization) and a manipulative, skewed schoolsystem (well, I have an IQ score in top 3% of Mensa, and below averagehigh school grades). Did I go to school one day shooting people up? Ididn´t. But I might well have. And there are many others out there likePekka-Eric, Dylan and me. We are the product of society. I still believethat I am objectively superior to the average human in most aspects.Society is made for the average human and feels like a concentrationcamp for someone who objectively is intellectually, physically andideologically superior but is being kicked down every time he/ she triesto be himself. Sometimes the only way to get respect for who you are isto walk into school in a black leather coat and holding a machine gun…and we all want to get respect for who we are, right? Fight the system.Fight oppression. The Individual uber alles. Ayn Rand is God ;-P
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I’ve studied some of Nietzsche’s works. He detested Christianity becausehe believed it was a life-denying religion concoted by slaves rebellingagainst their masters. Nietzsche argued for a life-affirming moralitythat would overcome the herd mentality not only of Christianity, butalso its secular off-shoot (socialism, liberalism, etc…). In fact, healso believed that German Nationalism was a kind of herd mentality. Ifanything , I think Nietzsche was a radical individualist who believed incelebrating and affirming life, not destroying it. I don’t know what hisposition on suicide was, but he might have not been against it (maybesomeone could enlighten us). However, I dont think that a mass murderwould have been his Zarathustra. In fact, in one of his videos, Auvinenexpresses his hatred for himself and the world. I think Nietzschewould’ve considered him a life-hating weakling.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Welcome to the exclusive an hero club
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
As a teenager, you tend to perceive any humiliating/embarrasingexperience as a grave injustice. His social darwinistic views are areflection of his own weakness….his inability to deal with feelings ofhelplessness. He probably felt that society and the authorities didntgive a shit about his suffering. In his mind, blowing people away is hisway of correcting that injustice. Schools should be on the look out forkids who display feelings of rage, hatred, cynicism, pessimism, etc…Won’t always stop this kind of thing from happening, but its a start.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I totally understand Pekka-Eric and his manifesto. I felt the same waywhen I was in high school, to me scool was a concentration camp,government a racist dictatorship and humanity a faceless mass ofbrainwashed robots of limited intelligence, manipulated by the globalracist and Jewish (yeah right!) conspiracy to be good consumers andsalary slaves. And I grew up in a society culturally and structurallysimilar to Finland. I remember calling myself an “anarcho-nazi” at thattime, and launching into rants against the Dictatorship, socialism,racism and the Jewish conspiracy before stunned teachers. My ideal wasan elitist, aristocratic society where the only people with democraticrights would be those of the intellectual elite, who in the currentsociety were being held down by the conformist ideals (expressed throughbullying and social marginalization) and a manipulative, skewed schoolsystem (well, I have an IQ score in top 3% of Mensa, and below averagehigh school grades). Did I go to school one day shooting people up? Ididn´t. But I might well have. And there are many others out there likePekka-Eric, Dylan and me. We are the product of society. I still believethat I am objectively superior to the average human in most aspects.Society is made for the average human and feels like a concentrationcamp for someone who objectively is intellectually, physically andideologically superior but is being kicked down every time he/ she triesto be himself. Sometimes the only way to get respect for who you are isto walk into school in a black leather coat and holding a machine gun…and we all want to get respect for who we are, right? Fight the system.Fight oppression. The Individual uber alles. Ayn Rand is God ;-P
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Must say that very sad story.Must hope that it isn’t repeatwith Finland or with other countries.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Archetype, you said it even better than me
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
If this person wanted to eliminate every one who didnt have the right tobe here anymore etc, so why in hell did he kill himself? He regardedhimself as a very intelligent individual. His suicide shows only howcowardly he was! In the end he didnt have the guts to stand behind hisown principles, no, he chose the way that was more easier for himself.In his texts he even admits how he hopes that this will inspire thosewho think alike. Shocking!Hopefully this will teach something not just to his defenders but alsoto the rest of us. I pray this will be the last attack.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Obviously this guy has lost complete faith in humanity. I lose faith inhumanity sometimes. And it’s hard to deal with. There’s a lot of naivetyand nombrilism in his ‘manifesto’. He seems like he had just found outthat humanity is not perfect…hello? We have a past who testifieshumanity is far from being perfect. And so? This is the way life is andlife is difficult, living in a societey is difficult. Paying a littlebit more attention to people, to your family, to your friends, listeningto them, staying open, paying attention when people are on the edge, canmake a difference. You may save a few in the lot from resorting totragic outcomes either the ones who would turn the violence against themor who would turn the violence against others.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
“The 200,000 would be dead, they wouldn’t have realised a thing and fortheir families, its a way of life, If thats not right right solution,Then halfing all hospitals on the earth would”John you don’t get what I meant. The point is, people want to defendthemselves. You talk about ‘way of life’ and ‘improving the world.’ Butthe world is made up of relationships of power. People don’t want to bekilled or have a family member killed. This fear of evil happening to ushas created civil society. The US government is not going to wake upsome day and say “we’re going to kill 200,000 random americans toimprove the world” because we live in a nation of laws that stems fromthe will of people to defend themselves.Saying something like, who cares who gets killed life goes on, is justthe point of view of someone who hasn’t been affected by the randomkilling. But society exists exactly because of that. Because people joinup to defend themselves against this. Sure the government is notperfect, but nothing is. If you are against the government, you are alsoagainst the weak people who need the government to protect them. Butwithin a nation of laws, the weak people are no longer as weak as theyare in nature so you can’t kill them as they please just to fit youridea of what is a “better world.” In our society, you kill someone andif you are caught you go to prison.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Amen, Archetype. I just can’t say it any better. You’ve got the idea, beblessed…
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I think it is important that his manistesto be kept online because itshows the flaws of his actions and thoughts. If you want to make adifference in this world, you have to live and lead. Not die and kill.There is no glory in killing, and what Auvinen did will only lead to theopposite of his own warped dreams. Speaking of survival and the strong,it would be harder and braver to live on, to kill oneself in such amindstate as Auvinens, in any situation, is the weakminded and feebleapproach. The ultimate ESCAPISM, the most POWERLESS choice. And yet, Ihave compassion for all parties in this tradegy, even Pekka-EricAuvinen. What he did was wrong, but I cannot help but feel sorry for thepain, sorrow, and hate that must have been eating him alive while helived. As a society we must take care of the youth, and do all we can toprevent the state of mind that leads to these school shootings. BlamingAuvinen, calling him crazy, hating him, does not solve anything. If wehate, then his mindstate has won us over. We must understand andprevent, understand and seek to love those and change those who mightpossibly become the next Auvinen BEFORE they take innocent lives anddisgrace themselves and their families in suicide. If this tradegy makesyou upset as it should, then do something PROACTIVE such as a random actof kindness. Is there someone who is made fun of at your school orworkplace? Why not be nice to them? It is easy to sit here and blame,but to take POSITIVE action to improve ourselves and our world, that isa real struggle!True power comes from self control and inner peace, and revolution muststart within oneself.Know Thyself,Archetype
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
hey people, we all are so nice and full of moral
we all who live indemocracys are kill and torture hundreds of thousends of innocent peopleworldwide, outside our countries = iraq, afganistan … we all are sameMURDERS as Pekka-Eric !!! Where is the problem? The killing is commingback to us, in our homes, schools? = this is only the beginning !!! :)Good night and have nice dreams 
!!!Live your lives, vote for your politicians, support the governments ofthe wester democracys = USA, European union that send troops to middleeast … and we all will swim in our own blood !!! …
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
THIS BOY IS A SMART COOKIE BUT HE WAS TOO HASTY AND SILLYTO HAVE KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE AND HIMSELF.HE SHOULD HAVE LIVE AND FOUGHT DEMOCRATICALLY IN SUCH A NICE COUNTRYLIKE FINLAND. HIS IS RIGHT IN MANY WAYS BUT DEEP DOWNA COWARD AND A SELFISH ANIMAL.THE WORLD IS RULED BY CORRUPT REGIMES.BUT HIS ACTIONSARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE TYRANTS HE HATES.!!A 47 YEARS OLD MAN LIVING IN A SMALL CONCRETE JUNGLE OF “DEMOCRACY” ANDWHERE SPACE IS CONSTRAINED AND GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE A RARITY.!!!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Am i the only one who noticed this kid extracted and copied word forword ALOT of Eric Harris’s journal??? I mean if your going to hate theworld and want to destory it…at least be original about it and notcopy a fellow school shooter. This kid was just a copycat!!! lame andnot even original.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
indeed a potentially smart man …
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
he was a psycho he killed 9 ppl!!! omfg he crazy!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
he was not smart… so dont cheer to his grave… he shooted itself…thats was good but when you are smart you need to be like a “normal”human.there are more smart than stupid ppl stupid ppl try to kill ppllike he do and get a war.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He was just stupid. There is no meaning in his manifesto. Even he hadthings he liked, as a “robot” in his terms. Basically all of us justwant to live and enjoy. To be able to enjoy, we need to like something…I have no manifesto, go enjoy your lives, but do it with respect toothers doing the same while doing it - forget this - it’s not worth it!Streght to those that were hurt by his actions.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Sick motherfucker!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
sick unclefucker!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
@fred riahi. that said it all
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
all i have to say is the level of arrogance and ignorance prevailent inthe replies on this topic are truly repugnant, and for the most part youought to be truly ashamed .. particularly the person who wrote that theyhave no respect for people who work for other people only people who arartists and create.. that statement alone singles you ought as one ofthe most pretentious, arrogant, childish naive people to ever offer anopinion on a topic .. i will not even bother to go into the reasons whyit is such utter nonsense
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
POBRE LOCO ENFERMO, Y LUEGO LE ECHAN LA CULPA A LOS VIDEOJUEGOS…PROHIBIR LAS ARMAS ES LO QUE TENDRIAN QUE HACER.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
He’s my new hero.Heil Pekka-Eric Auvinen
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
You can see the word “why” all over the papers in Finland. That’s whatthe common people are also asking. My advice to you is, read thismanifesto. You probably won’t agree with it, but if you turn off yourprimitive reactions (which we have seen here too) and read it as plaintext, it will answer your question.What we have here is an intelligent, frustrated, bitter and lonelyperson full of hate. He hated the world around him enough so that he sawno joy in it for himself, and it went so far he was ready to kill peopleat random and then himself. There, now you have your answer. It’sprobably not the answer you would want to hear. You want to hear that hewas in every way a no-good person and that everything Finnish societyloathes was put together in him. You already think Pekka-Eric Auvinenwas Pure Evil. You just want some expert to confirm that and make it ananswer for your question.In other words, you are just the brainless mass he says you are. Youbelieve what you would prefer to be true, not what lies crystal clear infront of your eyes. Majority of people are completely incapable ofintellectual integrity. It’s no wonder some intelligent people snap.The days when intelligent, independent women were locked in mental carefacilities for being “hysterical” is not far behind. Their realdiagnosis was standing against the norms of the society. Now, when equalrights of both sexes have become the norm, we look at these women asheroes. Will there be a society one day, where Pekka-Eric Auvinen willbe a hero? I hope not, but it’s possible.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
I think that what he is saying might be true but who really knows, I canalso think of some crazy fucked up shit about humans and how we allfucked up, but what does that really prove? I mean come on people tryingto analyse what this guy is saying are just stupid, there is no rightand wrong in anything that people may say or their ideas since none ofus are god. However our experiences through out life influence andcreate these ideas. It is obivious that this kid didnt have a good lifethat he probably had no friends got bullied and god knows what else.Therefore he formed ideas in his head which may be what he trulybelieves (although allot of it seems contradictory) or just things hesaid to lash out at society at the way he was treated. what ever hisbeliefs they are merely a drop in an ocean of beliefs that no one reallycares about whether they are true or not. Sure they will be those whoagree with him but actions speak louder than words, and his actions wereweak and short sighted, if he really believed that he was a better, orsuperior human why kill himself? What does that change?
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Wow he hates rap…what a shock. Guess he heard that “Crack Dat SouljaBoy” song once too many times.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
“I love BDSM” - hah! If this guy would have ever even get laid, he wouldhave lived for another orgasm and bought some nice BDSM equipmentinstead of a gun.Fucking pathetic virgin babble!Some nice guy or a girl could have blown your brain - better than you did.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Hope people shit on his grave each year, just like GG Allin’s.Pekka-Eric Auvinen: “What’s that burning in my anus for all eternity?!”Satan: “Suprise, buttsecks!”
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
A typical case of psychotic depression. Pekka created all this reason,explanation and killings to make his mind accept to commit suicide. Ifeel sorry for the victims, students, teachers , and especially for thefamily of Pekka who has live with the stigma.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Obviously this guy was in a lot of pain. A lot of the school shootersin America were also bullied heavily. I was bullied badly when I was 12and 14 and I know how bad it hurts and all the anger you feel inside.Not only are there bullies but the other people who don’t come to yourhelp. You’re left hating everyone. As a world, we all must learn to bekind or there will continue to be violence like this. I’m lucky I madeit through my own dark period. I’m successful and happy today, but Iconsider it to be a mircle. If I was just a little bit weaker, if Ididn’t have any friends, if I didn’t have a mom or dad… I think even Icould have snapped. Please pass on the message: treat others like youwant to be treated.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
If only the intelligent are worthy to survive why not start wiping downthe animals? I mean like, as he said, humans are nothing more than justanimals, so why does he target on humans? This guy had no real logic inhis deeds and the only reason he wrote this manifesto is to prove hisown points wrong.Natural selection my ass, this guy is no better than a merefundamentalist. Every idealism is wrong when it’s taken to the limit.Pekka-Eric was a victim to his arrogance, immaturity and pure stupidity.Only the one who knows that knows nothing, is wise.My thoughts are with families of Pekka-Eric and the victims.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Had no mature his head, has no politics, he didn’t want nothing exceptfame, he was only a totalitarian (what he hated)… hope that this willget lost deep in the net.If I was as brave as he thought probably the right way was to killhimself “only”! not a poor children who was more clever than this insane.A weak defeated and defective guy, he is overrated now! so fester now inyour deserved tomb dude!!!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
im sorry but this is not the work or action of a person who is as someseem to think “highly intellingent” it really is not . his ideals andrhetoric is that of a person that has obviously read a little bit ofthis and a pinch of that but knows no more information on his subjectsthan that contained in a wikipedia page on the mentioned subjects.enough basically to support his own beliefs a phenomena known as”correberation theory” while ignoring anything that conflicts with hisideals a simple example being that evolution does no in any way requirea species to make a concious decision to act as a natural selector it isperfectly capable of that itself but anyway. Also for a so called freethinking individual his entire manifesto and its outcome are little morethan obvious copy cat ideas, anybody familiar with the columbine killerseric and dylan would be able to spot direct influence to the point ofexact copying even down to his choice of t-shirt the slogan “humanity isoverated” eric wore a t-shirt with “natural selection” and dylan”rage”his mention to being “god like” and “a kick up the evolutionarychain” “more evolved” are all phrases used by eric in his journal andweb site that can be viewed on the net . plus many many moresimilarities. it is also imprtant to note that bullying and schoolhirearchy are really not the issues at hand. rather a depressed andimbalanced mind spurred on by corroborative rhetoric and a templatefigure in the columbine killings looking for a way to justify hisexistance and to search for a solution to his narcisissum by comitting atried and tested act that has been seen to deliver a guranteed level offame as is evident by the coverage it will obviously create, society didnot create this person ..nothing even nearly as exotic or grand, merelya chemical imbalance causing depression and narcisissum and an access toinformantion and ideas to corroberate it .. also access to fire arms….it is sad for all involved ..
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Okay - all this is well and good for him - but, why did he have to killothersto prove his points..that’s where he becomes the monster he rails against.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
To all those who curse him and hope he (and even his family - come on)goes to hell: calm down and think about it a bit. He was obviously avery troubled person in need of help. Seeing the world in black andwhite isn’t very helpful; the world rarely is like that.Bullying is awful and can totally destroy a person’s life or scar themmentally.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Another teenager who thinks he knows more about the world than everyoneelse. There are so many of them out there that you could see he fitsright in the masses he oh so hates. Of course, most of those guys don’tend up in shooting sprees but this particular kid is not right betweenthe ears.So what if the world sucks? I’m a fan of Thomas Hobbes, so obviously Ihave no faith in humanity. That doesn’t mean I want to go out and killpeople. If I think people are bad, then I want to find ways to protectmyself against people. What better way than society and laws? The stateexists to protect the weak people, to balance out their power againstthose who are more powerful than they are. If I walk out in the open anda cannibal kills me for food, he gets arrested and is sent to spent thenext few decades in prison. If someone is killing me in public, no onewill help me because people are afraid. But knowing that it is illegaland that he may be sent to prison, the killer hesistates and decides toattack clandestinely when its dark so that he can get away with it.Society gives me a protection against humanity. Human nature is not aproblem, it is a problematic fact. The difference is that a problem canbe solved, a problematic fact can’t. There is no use trying to “solve”humanity. People simply want to live their lives the best way they can.Why kill innocents like that? What happiness did that truly bring him?It only brought death upon himself. As desperate as he was, depressionis treatable. I’m convinced that kid could have been made to findhappiness had someone truly tried helping him.Life isn’t supposed to be all dark. Sometimes we’re happy, sometimeswe’re sad, sometimes we feel like hell, sometimes we don’t want to wakeup in the morning, sometimes we feel like eating something really fat…whatever. We live on a day to day basis under a society that protects usfrom anarchy. How is that bad? It is life. It can be a beautiful thingif you give it a chance.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
INSANE MAN! I’m sure that man experienced something really mentally shocking and went crazy. No one who is uninsane wont do like that!!!Horrible.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Some here claim he wasn’t bullied. That’s not true. To quote the BBC:Det Haapala described the young man as a “lonely rider” who had beenbullied by other students at the secondary school, which has 400 pupilsbetween 12 and 18.Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7085329.stm
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
WHO SAID HE WASNT BULLIED ?? I HAVE READ LL THESE POSTS AND NOT SEEN ANY.ALL I SAID WAS THAT BULLYING WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS ..PEOPLE HAVEBEEN BULLIED FOR YEARS ..BRITISH PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE AND WERE NOTORIOUSFOR SEVERE BULLYING AND A BRUTAL REGIME BUT NOBODY BEHAVED LIKE THATTHEN ..THIS IS A NEW PHENOMENA AND THIS IS MAINLY DUE TO THE COPY CATNATURE OF THE PERPS ..ANYWAY
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
A lot of people get bullied, but that’s no reason to act like this.I was sexually abused by BOTH my parents from my birth and well into myteenage years. At school everyone made fun of me and beat me up everyday. I had no brothers or sisters, no aunts or uncles. I had nobody. Ibecame depressed, I had suicidal thoughts, and I have a lifelong fear ofsex and anything sexual. If anyone should have had a reason to shoot upschools, it was me. But I’m still alive, and I am a happy person.There is always a way out of these things. Killing people isn’t asolution. What the guy did was much worse than anything that was done tohim by other people. Others are guilty of bullying him and living insociety. But he is guilty of murder. There really is no excuse.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
What is funny about this incident and how it has been reported in mediahas to do with the fact that this guy declares himself a terrorist. Hehad a radical agenda he published, and he wanted to promote it bykilling people at random and causing as much fear and terror aspossible. Isn’t that what you could find in a dictionary under “terrorist”?Do we see him being called a terrorist then? No, we don’t. Did we seethe T-word being mentioned numerous times when finnish muslims formed apolitical party in a process completely in line with Finnishconstitution and laws? Yes, we did. Now, explain this to me while you atthe same time prove people are not idiots, and I promise I’ll believe you.Just to point out that I do not idolize this murderer, to me he seems tohave been a sad kid with a god complex that was a result of bad selfesteem. What made him snap, I have no idea of. He was intelligent andgot some things right, but there’s no way in hell he was theindividualist he says he was. If he was, then why the hell was he unableto come up with an original way to pose with his gun? Why did he have torip that off from the Virginia Tech shooter? And to continue on theissue of rip offs, many of his thoughts and the way he put them out isin line with the Columbine shooters and the Virginia Tech shooter. Hispolitical views changed radically over time from far left to far right.I don’t say I know anything, but it seems clear he was just looking forsomething to believe in, something that would justify his hate.Unfortunately, he eventually found it in school shooters.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Im sure thet there are many people who are not satisfied with thisworld, but others may just like it as it is, so why not let em enjoylife? If you dont like it, kill yourself, but this life is all we got,and no one has the right to take it from anyone even if this someone isa “second level human ” or “godlike” like Eric thought he was.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Well, he did the right thing by ascerting himself on others! he talksabout society pressing down on individuals until they are nothing BUTsociety and here he comes, brandishing a gun, killing and forcing hisown polemic and others–isn’t that what he was about? these ideas arehalf-developed and maybe if he’d lived longer and read more (to those ofyou who are into this shit: pyrrhonism). He hates society? well whattaught him to say words? what shaped his very thoughts to use thosewords? what are then the ideas in his head? please, don’t kill people ifyou hate the world. just kill yourself. why? there is no answer. justkill yourself already!
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Crazy man. If he hated so much our society why he had to kill all thoseothers?!? He thinks he is kinda god who selects who lives and whodies.Hope you’ll burn in hell.
November 30th, 1999 at 12:00 am
Don’t judge him! He was just a kid! If you had lead the life that he had-and had had the same experiences- YOU WOULD’VE DONE THE SAME THINGS! Atleast he did something when he saw injustice. What have you ever done?What have I ever done?! He had guts. He stayed true to himself till theend. The world is different to each of us. In his own mind he did